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Right_in_KY
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U.S. Army Major Nadil Malik Hasan opened fire on fellow soldiers at Ft. Hood, Tx., killing 12 and wounding 30.
Reports indicate Hasan had voiced vocal opposition to the foreign policy of the United States and had expressed his displeasure at an apparent deployment he was facing to go to the middle east.
The media meanwhile are skirting around the use of the word 'terrorism' to describe this incident - but I ask you - how was this tragedy that much different from the Oklahoma City bombing that was quickly labled as domestic terrorism.
The similiarities:
- Target was a government installation/facility.
- Suspect had military experience.
- Act was carried out on U.S. soil.
- Both suspects had made comments condemning the actions/policies of U.S. government.
- Victims were unarmed.
- The actions were premeditated.
- Motivation seems to have stemmed from ideological/political differences the suspect(s) had with the government.
If the McVeigh bombings of Oklahoma City federal building were terrorism (and I'm not in disagreement with that statement at all), then this incident should also be labeled as such.
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Mr.Tim
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Fri Nov 6 8:19 am
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what seems being pushed is he didnt want to be deployed,but IMO if it quacks like a duck,walks like a duck,its a duck...doesnt change the fact that 12 people so far have needlessly lost their lives
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Aircooled
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Fri Nov 6 8:25 am
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And they were BOTH Muslims!
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L B
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Fri Nov 6 8:49 am
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was just watching CNN(oh no) and the question by a reporter was "if the shooting could be tried as an act of terrorism"?
so, what was your gripe against the media? they will not make the jump to a conclusian unless the government gives a hint that is the way they are going to charge the asshole who did this.
what is the difference between this and a workplace massacre? in this case, the workplace happened to be the military. i am not disagreeing with your assessment, just trying to make sense of it myself.
this just hapened and you already dont like the reporting of the media. man, give it some time.
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Right_in_KY
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Fri Nov 6 8:54 am
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I realize it's early. But there's so much hesitancy on the part of many in the media - actually it's fear.
The media is treading very lightly around the terrorism angle - but so far all indications point that this man acted purely from ideological/political motivations.
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Fri Nov 6 9:00 am
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Since 9/11 the word "terrorism" isn't something to throw around. I can fully understand you believing this is terrorism and for all we know at this point, it may very well be. Look what happened after 9/11, though. Muslim homes being vandalized, muslim owned business being burglarized, crimes against muslims in the US were rapidly rising. So it's probably not the best idea for media outlets to throw around the word "terrorism" just yet.
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Fri Nov 6 9:11 am
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It's not terrorism solely because the suspect is Muslim. Timothy McVeigh was not a muslim and yet that didn't stop the act from being labled terrorism.
It's not a person's race, ethnicity or religion that determines whether an act is terrorism, but rather the motive. And from what we've heard so far, this guy was anti-U.S. Foriegn Policy.
Now - if, as I suspect, this plays out and his ideology was behind the attack, then his religious background does begin to play a role.
I do believe that Americans are very naive when it comes to the level of Islamic terrosist cells actually located here domestically. (Note - I'm not suggesting Hasan was part of that - for what we know so far - he acted alone.) Instead, we have front page stories on 'milia groups' but tend to ignore the presence of groups that truly can cause harm.
We had an Army recruiter gunned down and killed a few months ago by a terrorist, a number of recent arrests and terrorist attacks foiled by undercover investigations, and terrorists have a history of targeting military installations like Camp LeJune and Fort Dix.
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Fri Nov 6 9:12 am
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Now - if, as I suspect, this plays out and his ideology was behind the attack, then his religious background does begin to play a role.
Like we made issue of McViegh being a Christian, right?
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Fri Nov 6 9:14 am
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Are you suggesting it is inaccurate to recognize a connection between Islam and terrorism?
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Fri Nov 6 9:16 am
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How about Christianity and terrorism?
McViegh was a Christian...and he was a terrorist. Right?
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Fri Nov 6 9:18 am
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I think you can recognize a link between any extremist and their religion with some form of terrorism, not just Islam.
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it has been said that due to his religion he was treated very disrespectfully by those around him, and that he was a psychologist who dealt with patients coming back from war. excluding his religion, he was actually rethinking his career choice due to the many aspects of his military job.
so far, from what i have heard and can gather, he acted alone, and it shouldnt be considered an act of terrorism. but the only info that i can get is what they give me right now, so i could be wrong in my asssessment.
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Fri Nov 6 9:21 am
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Authorities had been monitoring his internet postings six months prior...
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Mr.Tim
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Mr.Tim
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Authorities had been monitoring his internet postings six months prior...
from what Im reading there was all kinds of red flags being thrown up
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If all he wanted was to avoid deployment, he could have just killed himself or gone through the gate and not come back. Instead he was willing to take innocent lives and risk his own death or imprisonment to make a larger statement. That makes it "terrorism" in my mind.
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Fri Nov 6 9:26 am
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Is it "outlandish" for someone to state their opposition to our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan?
I spoke out about our invasion of Iraq up to my re-enlistment and volunteering for an OIF deployment.
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